Aloha,
There was another "event". I cannot attribute it to any source with certainty.
I will just relate what happened and you decide. We all hope it never really happens.
Early Sunday morning, (March 8, 2009) I saw something very brief
(about 10-15 seconds) in a vision while I was awake.
Everything I saw was in black and white, except for one thing.
I was high up looking down on a city with unusual architecture.
From the lower right, I observed a jet, and a neon blue missile
shot away and towards the North-West.
I wondered "Is this Paris, and was that an atomic bomb?"
Then I drifted down to the street where I saw people wearing black hats
with the little thing in the top (like the French wear- a beret) and saw Disney characters.
That was it.
I did a little research and did a Google Earth of Paris. It was the city that I saw from above.
It is unique, as the structures look like legos, open in the center. See for yourself.
I had never seen this before. It turns out that I also found a Disneyland is in Paris,
something I did not know. It is about 30 Km. east of Paris, I learned later.
I Googled blue bomb, and found two.
One powerful atomic bomb made by the British is an air to surface missile.
The Blue Steel Missile. The French have a A bomb called the Gerboise Bleue.
My observation- A plane coming from South- East could be thought of
as coming from Iran, or a similar location. But the bomb is French or British.
After it had exploded, no one would know for sure where it came from, the evidence is gone.
Another, more significant 911, false flag operation?
BTW- I never would have said anything about
this Paris thing except that I have had three confirmations:
1. On the same morning, the first thing my wife told me
when she awoke was that she dreamed "a lot of people died".
She said people were in pieces everywhere. Later, to her surprise,
people who were alive were coming out of tubes in the ground.
They were dry, but she also saw rivers around,
so she thought that they should have been wet.
I did not tell her what I had seen.
2. I told a friend (a Remote Viewer) that I had a target, and it was a location.
That's all.
He assumed that I was looking for info about my family.
He saw something like the Eiffel tower leaning,
A lot of the color blue (unusual),
A hole in the ground with debris around it,
something moving in a sweeping motion right to left,
fresh water rivers (Paris is surrounded by rivers),
something above (or below something),
something bowl shaped, with a bowl on top, and blue (bomb),
bowl blue inside, felt as under it, sensed it was moving,
Empty swimming pool (hole in the ground) empty bowl shaped area,apart, broken
At hole- it was rocky, scary, foreboding,
Tunnels, wash drains, cave,
The word Torkle
(see-Torkle Patterson- Military and key Government posts-
http://www.icasinc.org/bios/patterso.html -who said-"I'm a little bit wary of
tape recorders and microphones and cameras, coming from the silent National Security Council.
We're on time and we're silent! Meaning that we don't like to speak for attribution.
So I just have to ask -- am I talking on the record, or am I talking on background?")
Torkle Patterson was an assistant to the President, worked in key positions in Government, the Pentagon, the National Security Council.
In 2005 Torkle Patterson became PRESIDENT of RAYTHEON.
Google RAYTHEON, it will knock your socks off. Their goal- Aspiring to be the most admired defense and aerospace systems supplier...
RAYTHEON has built the Bunker Buster, Tomahawk, Patriot, TOW, Maverick, Javelin missiles. Government electronics, space, tech info, defense, tech services, special mission aircraft, homeland-border security, radar, sensors, antartic program.
Raytheon paid millions in fines for over charging the gov., acquiring secret budget info, etc.
Raytheon is the CIA- it has been claimed.
RAYTHEON is the supplier to E-SYSTEMS, who purchased the company associated with the name AIR AMERICA, who transported arms and drugs during the Vietnam War.
Photos of RAYTHEON weapons-
www.raytheon.com...
3. I know a very credible medical intuitive who said the following about my vision
after going through a protocol-
The event will occur around June 1-10, 70 km. radius of destruction,
centered about 30 km. east of Paris. The intent is to provoke retaliation against Iran.
Very few know about this, it seems to be initiated by some members of NWO.
Google Iran atomic bomb, and you see a huge media fascination with this subject.
May 12, 2009
Here's an update on the Paris event.
In early March, one week after the vision, when I spoke with the intuitive,
I was told the event scored 8-9 out of 10 in likelihood of occurring.
I then proceeded to post the vision on at least 6 web sites including abovetopsecret,
which has a huge readership. I also notified every English speaking Paris newspaper and news organization.
The result also exposed what may be one of the masterminds behind the event- Torkel Patterson.
Recently, the intuitive told me that the event now was scoring a 2-3 out of 10 in likelihood of occurring.
So now I am hopeful the event has been called off.
But this info opened some other event to the intuitive,
and that was a plan to explode an even more powerful bomb south of Mexico City.
If not called off, this could occur in about 4 months, not according to me, according to the intuitive.
Explain this- When I first told this story,
and posted it on many web sites. Then I Googled Torkel Patterson.
On the first page that came up, the links were listed that went to those web sites,
citing Torkel's involvement in a nuclear attack on Paris.
Starting from the third position from the top of the first page.
Today I Googled Torkel Patterson, and went through 30 pages, but no mention of Torkel and the Paris vision.
IT WAS REMOVED! Even if you Google Torkel Patterson Iran Paris. Nothing. Someone EXPLAIN this please!
May 13, 2009
Actually, intuitive is a very general reference. Everyone has intuition, as you know.
Some have a highly developed natural sense, others receive training though a huge variety of resources.
The intuitive that I know is a very competent and specialized medical intuitive.
She has invented a therapy called Medical Alchemy, and is just finishing her book.
She travels around the world training people her Medical Alchemy. You can read about her here-
http://www.medicalalchemy.org/
I have found her to be an incredible resource in my alternative energy research.
I highly value her opinion.
May 26, 2009- I have been concerned about the vision.
Yesterday I got a note from the intuitive who has been regularly monitoring this.
She said it has elevated from a level of 2 in 10 to a level of 4 in 10.
I am getting nervous about this.
June 1, 2009. An Air France plane disappeared. A white plane with blue lettering and stripes, a few red stripes and 228 people. It may be on land in Venezuela, near Palencho.
The Paris event has been upgraded to 8 of 10, June 10-15.
Thursday, May 28, 2009
Two Beasts, Image, and Mark Explained
Understanding a life saving warning.
7 Headed Leopard/Bear/Lion Beast- First Beast-
The Watchtower is correct in identifying this Beast
as Government, multiple heads as multiple conglomerate
World Powers who control land, murder, and pollute the earth.
They are mastered by king Satan and his demon princes.
Lamb/Dragon Beast- Second Beast-
The Watchtower is wrong. This is one entity of THEY.
They are Mega Commerce, The World Bank, AKA Bilderbirg, AKA Illuminati.
THEY control shipping, energy, transport, raw materials, manufacturing,
weapons, media ownership, food, entertainment, pharmaceuticals, etc.
THEY control all mankind, and suppress beneficial information.
THEY are a small group of humans working for common purposes.
THEY appear like a lamb by providing all these things for mankind,
but act as a Dragon by enslaving mankind.
THEY are mastered by their king Satan and his demon princes.
Learn more about the Lamb/Dragon Beast here-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
This would define who or what the Lamb/Dragon Beast is.
Because who gives power to the Image?
Isn't it major commerce, big business, the world bank,
those who own the most, control the most, have
access to unlimited funds? In some circles they
are known as the Illuminati, Free Masons, The Skulls,
the Bilderburgs. And, interestingly, many of these
are accused of following Satanic cults.
It is very hard to understand prophesy,
without the aid of the Holy Spirit.
The Image of the Wild Beast (the Lamb/Dragon Beast)-
Definition of Image- an artifact, two dimensional picture,
similar appearance to some objects, usually an object or person,
photograph, screen display, statue. Captured by camera,
mirror, lens, telescope, microscope, human eye.
The Watchtower is wrong.
The Image (two dimensional) is TV, computer, radio,
magazines, newspapers, advertisements, etc.
These portray all things of the Beast (2)-
desire, materialism, escapism, violence, sex, self-gratification,
love of the world, love of money, etc.
Not the image of God- His will, His desires, His purposes.
The Image is subject to the king Satan and his demon princes.
If you think about it, and the Image is TV, music,
entertainment,etc.; people are under compulsion
to watch this talking Image many hours everyday.
People live for it. It exercises a form of control
over all humans. It is a powerful Image.
The "Mark" is like a seed that was planted,
and it grows inside a person.
It develops into selfish desire, craving, materialism,
a love of the world, a love of money.
The "Mark" on the forehead and hand is the clear
and obvious demonstration of materialism.
Seeking possessions, the new- the better- the best,
more and more, bigger, fancier.
For the ego, for the pleasure, for the status.
Well, this means that when someone loves the world,
or is materialistic, it is clear in that you can visibly see
what these people do, what they seek, what they possess,
what they say, and how they act towards these things of Satans world.
It cannot be concealed. Even fully dressed, our hand
and/or forehead is always exposed.
Posts by The Forgiven (Prophesy Talk.com) regarding the "mark".
Those who are marked with the Beast are opposite of those who are marked with the name of God on their foreheads. Same explanation of the mark, although different in characteristics. Those with the name of God are their forehead represent those who's mind is influenced by the Holy Spirit. Those who are marked with the Beast on their forehead are those who's mind is influenced by the Beast. The hand represents the working hand, just as Christ is the working hand of God (Right Hand).
Those who accept the things of the Beast show that their works (hand) and influence (mind) are with what the Beast proposes. Those with the name of God on their forehead show that their devotion is to the things of God.
Why many teach a literal mark is beyond me....God never taught it, so why should we?
By their fruits, you shall know them. Those who submit to the Beast are showing that they choose loyalty to him. Those who submit themselves to Christ will refuse anything the Beast forces them to do.
When reading the Old Testament, the same language is used to identify the child of God, to the children of Satan. Those who live for God, embrace the Laws of God within their minds, and binds them on their right hand. This symbol was used to show that the outside is marked in the inside, with the Laws of God. The same for the children of the devil....by their fruits, you shall know them.
The theory of a micro-chip is too modern, and would have made absolutely no sense to the seven churches of Asia, who first heard the vision. THEY needed help, and encouragement, because of the things they were being forced to do, especially in Ephesus, where Emperor Trajan was forcing everyone to worship him and his image. Those Christians lived in constant friction between them, and the outside world. The other Christian territories suffered Emperor Worship at least once a year, or even several times a year. Thus, identifying a Christian was not difficult to do, EVEN without a literal mark on their hand or forehead. SO if it wasn't hard for them to do then, why should it be hard now? Unless of course Christians are difficult to be viewed as Christians, especially in our day.
Therefore, I understand your question, but an outward mark was not required to accuse anyone of being a Christian in the first century, any less than it's required now. Walk down the streets of our own Country, and you should be able to see who is Goldy, and who is Beastly. Or do we all need "I'M A JESUS PEOPLE" T-Shirt to wear, just to be identified as a Christian? I should certainly hope not. Thus a Christian is identified by their works, and thoughts; the same for sinners of the unsaved. What we wear on the outside means nothing.
Oh, and regarding the "Buying or selling", Emperor Domitian enforced a standard that all who would not submit to him, or his politically claimed divinity, were not able to participate in the Roman market. In fact, Domitian seized all land, and assets, of anyone who belonged to the "sect" Christianity. That is why many believe Domitian is the one who banished John to the island of Patmos. After Domitian's death, Christians were set free, and most who were still alive, were able to retrieve their land, and possessions.
With love:
Joseph
The "Ulcer" occurs at that time when materialism,
possessions, ego, status are exposed as having false value,
worthless, a hindrance, a shame, an excessive load that
means nothing, or less if one dies because of the "Mark".
7 Headed Leopard/Bear/Lion Beast- First Beast-
The Watchtower is correct in identifying this Beast
as Government, multiple heads as multiple conglomerate
World Powers who control land, murder, and pollute the earth.
They are mastered by king Satan and his demon princes.
Lamb/Dragon Beast- Second Beast-
The Watchtower is wrong. This is one entity of THEY.
They are Mega Commerce, The World Bank, AKA Bilderbirg, AKA Illuminati.
THEY control shipping, energy, transport, raw materials, manufacturing,
weapons, media ownership, food, entertainment, pharmaceuticals, etc.
THEY control all mankind, and suppress beneficial information.
THEY are a small group of humans working for common purposes.
THEY appear like a lamb by providing all these things for mankind,
but act as a Dragon by enslaving mankind.
THEY are mastered by their king Satan and his demon princes.
Learn more about the Lamb/Dragon Beast here-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
This would define who or what the Lamb/Dragon Beast is.
Because who gives power to the Image?
Isn't it major commerce, big business, the world bank,
those who own the most, control the most, have
access to unlimited funds? In some circles they
are known as the Illuminati, Free Masons, The Skulls,
the Bilderburgs. And, interestingly, many of these
are accused of following Satanic cults.
It is very hard to understand prophesy,
without the aid of the Holy Spirit.
The Image of the Wild Beast (the Lamb/Dragon Beast)-
Definition of Image- an artifact, two dimensional picture,
similar appearance to some objects, usually an object or person,
photograph, screen display, statue. Captured by camera,
mirror, lens, telescope, microscope, human eye.
The Watchtower is wrong.
The Image (two dimensional) is TV, computer, radio,
magazines, newspapers, advertisements, etc.
These portray all things of the Beast (2)-
desire, materialism, escapism, violence, sex, self-gratification,
love of the world, love of money, etc.
Not the image of God- His will, His desires, His purposes.
The Image is subject to the king Satan and his demon princes.
If you think about it, and the Image is TV, music,
entertainment,etc.; people are under compulsion
to watch this talking Image many hours everyday.
People live for it. It exercises a form of control
over all humans. It is a powerful Image.
The "Mark" is like a seed that was planted,
and it grows inside a person.
It develops into selfish desire, craving, materialism,
a love of the world, a love of money.
The "Mark" on the forehead and hand is the clear
and obvious demonstration of materialism.
Seeking possessions, the new- the better- the best,
more and more, bigger, fancier.
For the ego, for the pleasure, for the status.
Well, this means that when someone loves the world,
or is materialistic, it is clear in that you can visibly see
what these people do, what they seek, what they possess,
what they say, and how they act towards these things of Satans world.
It cannot be concealed. Even fully dressed, our hand
and/or forehead is always exposed.
Posts by The Forgiven (Prophesy Talk.com) regarding the "mark".
Those who are marked with the Beast are opposite of those who are marked with the name of God on their foreheads. Same explanation of the mark, although different in characteristics. Those with the name of God are their forehead represent those who's mind is influenced by the Holy Spirit. Those who are marked with the Beast on their forehead are those who's mind is influenced by the Beast. The hand represents the working hand, just as Christ is the working hand of God (Right Hand).
Those who accept the things of the Beast show that their works (hand) and influence (mind) are with what the Beast proposes. Those with the name of God on their forehead show that their devotion is to the things of God.
Why many teach a literal mark is beyond me....God never taught it, so why should we?
By their fruits, you shall know them. Those who submit to the Beast are showing that they choose loyalty to him. Those who submit themselves to Christ will refuse anything the Beast forces them to do.
When reading the Old Testament, the same language is used to identify the child of God, to the children of Satan. Those who live for God, embrace the Laws of God within their minds, and binds them on their right hand. This symbol was used to show that the outside is marked in the inside, with the Laws of God. The same for the children of the devil....by their fruits, you shall know them.
The theory of a micro-chip is too modern, and would have made absolutely no sense to the seven churches of Asia, who first heard the vision. THEY needed help, and encouragement, because of the things they were being forced to do, especially in Ephesus, where Emperor Trajan was forcing everyone to worship him and his image. Those Christians lived in constant friction between them, and the outside world. The other Christian territories suffered Emperor Worship at least once a year, or even several times a year. Thus, identifying a Christian was not difficult to do, EVEN without a literal mark on their hand or forehead. SO if it wasn't hard for them to do then, why should it be hard now? Unless of course Christians are difficult to be viewed as Christians, especially in our day.
Therefore, I understand your question, but an outward mark was not required to accuse anyone of being a Christian in the first century, any less than it's required now. Walk down the streets of our own Country, and you should be able to see who is Goldy, and who is Beastly. Or do we all need "I'M A JESUS PEOPLE" T-Shirt to wear, just to be identified as a Christian? I should certainly hope not. Thus a Christian is identified by their works, and thoughts; the same for sinners of the unsaved. What we wear on the outside means nothing.
Oh, and regarding the "Buying or selling", Emperor Domitian enforced a standard that all who would not submit to him, or his politically claimed divinity, were not able to participate in the Roman market. In fact, Domitian seized all land, and assets, of anyone who belonged to the "sect" Christianity. That is why many believe Domitian is the one who banished John to the island of Patmos. After Domitian's death, Christians were set free, and most who were still alive, were able to retrieve their land, and possessions.
With love:
Joseph
The "Ulcer" occurs at that time when materialism,
possessions, ego, status are exposed as having false value,
worthless, a hindrance, a shame, an excessive load that
means nothing, or less if one dies because of the "Mark".
Revelations Seven Congregations Here Now
May 14, 2009
I have to give my wife credit for this, as it never occurred to me.
We were talking last night, and she mentioned that
when she was reading about the seven congregations,
it was referring to Christian religions, or denominations.
What she said seemed very true.
As a result, I searched to see how many Christian denominations there were.
Do you know how many there are?
Seven!
1. Protestant (Lutheran, Jehovahs Witnesses, Morman/LDS, etc.)
2. Baptist (Amish, etc.)
3. Orthodox
4. Adventist
5. Anglican (Episcopalian)
6. Presbyterian
7. Catholic.
The reason they are in this order will be shown.
Next I did research to see if the letters in Revelation
would give an indication as to which congregation represents which denomination. Guess what?
Each denomination is very clearly identified by what is said in Revelation.
1. Protestant- Rev. 2:1-7. Ephesus. Labor and endurance. Cannot bear bad men. But they left the love they had at the start. Hate the sect of Nicolas (Idolatry).
(JW well know for not having love. Protestants are well represented by the Rev. description)
2. Baptist- Rev. 2:8-11. Smyrna. Suffer tribulation and poverty. Suffer persecution and be tested.
(2/3 of US blacks are Baptist. Baptists were heavily persecuted in Russia)
3. Orthodox- Rev. 2:12-17. Pergamum. By the throne of Satan,
teaching of Balaam (any false teaching to stumble others), The teaching of Balaam-
http://www.biblestudyguide.org/audiobiblel...g-of-balaam.pdf
“the teaching (doctrine) of Balaam” - one way the Lord described false religious doctrines ...
The “teaching of Balaam” is symbolic of false teaching? – metaphor, symbolic
- Rev. 2:14 teaching that puts a stumbling block before people, whereby they fall into sin".
teaching of Nicolas (Idols). "The historical Saint Nicholas is remembered and revered among Catholic and Orthodox Christians. He is also honoured by various Anglican and Lutheran churches. ...Saint Nicholas is a popular subject portrayed on countless Eastern Orthodox icons, particularly Russian ones. He is depicted as an Orthodox bishop,...In Roman Catholic iconography, Saint Nicholas is depicted as a bishop,...Saint Nick is celebrated by all the Christian communities in Lebanon: Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Armenian....(In Greece) St. Nicholas being the protector of sailors, he is considered the patron saint of the Greek navy,..."
Wikipedia
Saint Nicolas is the most highly idolized saint in all Christian religion.
The sect of/or following Nicolas is Idolatry. There are many Nicolas
idols all over the world, in countless forms, including Santa Claus.
(Orthodox is offshoot of Catholics, still very close. Follow the writings of Greek Fathers.
Centered in Greece and the surrounding area.)
4. Adventist- Rev. 18-29. Thyatira. Prophetsees Jezebel who teaches and misleads.
(Ellen White, the self claimed prophetees who claimed to write inspired things.
Many followed her.) "Ellen White said that we must never feel or say that we are saved.
Even while I was I was in the church I felt it to be unbiblical.
Honestly, if someone believes what the bible says about being saved,
how can they call EGW a prophet?"
bettyw: "Ellen White was a false prophet."
I must defend my position on EW. She matches the description
of the women called Jezebel to a tee. If the shoe fits then ????
Also, Great Conterversy page 433 gives all the prove one needs
to see that she was being led by the false god.
This, however does not make SDA the wrong church.
They also fit the description for the Ten Virgins and Sardis.
---Dr._Rich on 11/9/07
http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1191601166.htm
"By her own words Ellen White is found to be a liar and a false prophet."
http://obadiah1317.wordpress.com/2009/02/1...god-way-beyond/
"Ellen White was Jezebel..."
http://books.google.com/books?id=82twQKRNu...t&resnum=10
"All ellen white's books are fake and very dangerous for a good spiritual and mental health.
...It's incredible , the obelisk ellen white tomb is directly linked to paganism worship, freemasonary, and so that means ellen white was nothing more than a baal worshipper,
like the wicked and pagan Jezebel the wife of Achab was:"
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...24100624AABd4TA
5. Anglican- Rev. 3:1-6. Sardis. Not awake, dead, not found deeds performed.
(Each church has its own doctrine, no central doctrine, off shoot of Catholics)
6. Presbyterian- Rev. 3:7-13. Philadelphia. Have a little power, not false, endured.
7. Catholic- Rev. 3:14-18. Laodicea. Rich, not hot or cold, naked and blind.
(Largest, richest Christian church, not spiritual, idolatry)
Laodicea:
"The city remains a titular see of the Roman Catholic Church,
Laodicensis in Phrygia; the seat has been vacant since 1968."
THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D.
What are the lost books of the Bible? They were texts and letters suppressed
by early "Church Fathers". There was an important historical event,
back in the 4th century. It is called the Council of Laodicea.
It changed history two significant ways. At this council they
determined what would and would not be considered canon.
They decided what would and would not be included
in the Bible or read at church. (Canon #60.)
http://reluctant-messenger.com/council-of-laodicea.htm
See the topics listed on the right- Catholic church and Laodicea considered one in wealth.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2465489/The-Weal...icea-or-Babylon
I just did a brief analysis. I am certain that if someone wants to research this more,
they will find even more evidence. But the distinctions are clear.
http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs_witn.../comparison.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations.htm
I have to give my wife credit for this, as it never occurred to me.
We were talking last night, and she mentioned that
when she was reading about the seven congregations,
it was referring to Christian religions, or denominations.
What she said seemed very true.
As a result, I searched to see how many Christian denominations there were.
Do you know how many there are?
Seven!
1. Protestant (Lutheran, Jehovahs Witnesses, Morman/LDS, etc.)
2. Baptist (Amish, etc.)
3. Orthodox
4. Adventist
5. Anglican (Episcopalian)
6. Presbyterian
7. Catholic.
The reason they are in this order will be shown.
Next I did research to see if the letters in Revelation
would give an indication as to which congregation represents which denomination. Guess what?
Each denomination is very clearly identified by what is said in Revelation.
1. Protestant- Rev. 2:1-7. Ephesus. Labor and endurance. Cannot bear bad men. But they left the love they had at the start. Hate the sect of Nicolas (Idolatry).
(JW well know for not having love. Protestants are well represented by the Rev. description)
2. Baptist- Rev. 2:8-11. Smyrna. Suffer tribulation and poverty. Suffer persecution and be tested.
(2/3 of US blacks are Baptist. Baptists were heavily persecuted in Russia)
3. Orthodox- Rev. 2:12-17. Pergamum. By the throne of Satan,
teaching of Balaam (any false teaching to stumble others), The teaching of Balaam-
http://www.biblestudyguide.org/audiobiblel...g-of-balaam.pdf
“the teaching (doctrine) of Balaam” - one way the Lord described false religious doctrines ...
The “teaching of Balaam” is symbolic of false teaching? – metaphor, symbolic
- Rev. 2:14 teaching that puts a stumbling block before people, whereby they fall into sin".
teaching of Nicolas (Idols). "The historical Saint Nicholas is remembered and revered among Catholic and Orthodox Christians. He is also honoured by various Anglican and Lutheran churches. ...Saint Nicholas is a popular subject portrayed on countless Eastern Orthodox icons, particularly Russian ones. He is depicted as an Orthodox bishop,...In Roman Catholic iconography, Saint Nicholas is depicted as a bishop,...Saint Nick is celebrated by all the Christian communities in Lebanon: Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Armenian....(In Greece) St. Nicholas being the protector of sailors, he is considered the patron saint of the Greek navy,..."
Wikipedia
Saint Nicolas is the most highly idolized saint in all Christian religion.
The sect of/or following Nicolas is Idolatry. There are many Nicolas
idols all over the world, in countless forms, including Santa Claus.
(Orthodox is offshoot of Catholics, still very close. Follow the writings of Greek Fathers.
Centered in Greece and the surrounding area.)
4. Adventist- Rev. 18-29. Thyatira. Prophetsees Jezebel who teaches and misleads.
(Ellen White, the self claimed prophetees who claimed to write inspired things.
Many followed her.) "Ellen White said that we must never feel or say that we are saved.
Even while I was I was in the church I felt it to be unbiblical.
Honestly, if someone believes what the bible says about being saved,
how can they call EGW a prophet?"
bettyw: "Ellen White was a false prophet."
I must defend my position on EW. She matches the description
of the women called Jezebel to a tee. If the shoe fits then ????
Also, Great Conterversy page 433 gives all the prove one needs
to see that she was being led by the false god.
This, however does not make SDA the wrong church.
They also fit the description for the Ten Virgins and Sardis.
---Dr._Rich on 11/9/07
http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1191601166.htm
"By her own words Ellen White is found to be a liar and a false prophet."
http://obadiah1317.wordpress.com/2009/02/1...god-way-beyond/
"Ellen White was Jezebel..."
http://books.google.com/books?id=82twQKRNu...t&resnum=10
"All ellen white's books are fake and very dangerous for a good spiritual and mental health.
...It's incredible , the obelisk ellen white tomb is directly linked to paganism worship, freemasonary, and so that means ellen white was nothing more than a baal worshipper,
like the wicked and pagan Jezebel the wife of Achab was:"
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...24100624AABd4TA
5. Anglican- Rev. 3:1-6. Sardis. Not awake, dead, not found deeds performed.
(Each church has its own doctrine, no central doctrine, off shoot of Catholics)
6. Presbyterian- Rev. 3:7-13. Philadelphia. Have a little power, not false, endured.
7. Catholic- Rev. 3:14-18. Laodicea. Rich, not hot or cold, naked and blind.
(Largest, richest Christian church, not spiritual, idolatry)
Laodicea:
"The city remains a titular see of the Roman Catholic Church,
Laodicensis in Phrygia; the seat has been vacant since 1968."
THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA 364 A.D.
What are the lost books of the Bible? They were texts and letters suppressed
by early "Church Fathers". There was an important historical event,
back in the 4th century. It is called the Council of Laodicea.
It changed history two significant ways. At this council they
determined what would and would not be considered canon.
They decided what would and would not be included
in the Bible or read at church. (Canon #60.)
http://reluctant-messenger.com/council-of-laodicea.htm
See the topics listed on the right- Catholic church and Laodicea considered one in wealth.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2465489/The-Weal...icea-or-Babylon
I just did a brief analysis. I am certain that if someone wants to research this more,
they will find even more evidence. But the distinctions are clear.
http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs_witn.../comparison.htm
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations.htm
1975- 2010 and The Disgusting Thing
From my post at jwsupport:
Aloha,
This is absolutely amazing. This is other information which confirms
exactly what I had mentioned under another topic about an explanation
of how 1975 was a date which confirmed a particular Bible prophesy.
Thank you Cofty for posting that quote, I read that with shock.
Like 1914, the Watchtower was only partially correct in their prophesy about that year.
I recently recognized that 1975 was a prophetic year, and the following events explain how.
Jesus said "when you catch sight of the disgusting thing
that causes desolation standing in a holy place..."
1. 1975, the first year of peace and security, as announced by the president.
No steps were initiated to actually start peace and security,
but the announcement was made regarding future intentions.
2. After this date, the Watchtower Society was involved with the U.N.
3. Soon after 1975, Ray Franz disassociated himself from the Watchtower Society because the governing body was no longer following Holy Spirit.
4. By 1979 the secret elders book "Pay Attention to Yourselves and The Flock" was ready for print.
5. Secret letters to the elders began to be distributed monthly.
6. Subliminal demonic and sexual illustrations began appearing in publications after 1975. See the "You Can Live Forever" and "Revelation" book.
7. After 1975 many anointed ones started getting disfellowshipped.
8. As mentioned by rus virgil, beginning January 1, 1976, a major shift occurred in the administration of the Watchtower Society.
These prove that the disgusting thing had taken control of
the Watchtower Society, that is, It was standing in the Holy Place.
Next the writer said "let the reader use discernment"
Of course, the Watchtower Society is not going to warn you that they are
going to come under the direct control of Satan, so you must discern that yourself.
Next was written "begin fleeing to the mountains"
This means to abandon the things of this world. The end is near, if you devote yourself to getting rich, or any other selfish pursuits,
you will be wasting your time. Get to know Jehovah, and rely on Him.
(from Rus Virgil's link- So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear:
“Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps."
(And here we have the first six)
Then, we read on:
“In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society."
(And this is the second six)
Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsibilities:
1 – president;
2 – secretary;
3 – accountant;
4 – the supervisor of the minister school;
5 – the supervisor of the ministry service;
6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department.
All these together represent the number 666!) END OF LINK from Rus Virgil.
Further, consider this- about the three and a half times.
If a time were 10 years, times were 20 years and a half time were 5 years, that would be 35 years. If 35 years started in 1975, then it would end in 2010. Now in the spring of 2002, I asked the Holy Spirit when Armageddon would come, and I understood 8 years. Now I understood that by the spring of 2010 it will come as mentioned by all of the preceding. I have always believed that if I knew this, others did also.
Many here have criticized the WTS for setting years, but the WTS was partially right about 1975 being significant, like 1914.
The Bible says that no one knows the day or hour. True.
Does it say no one knows the year? Does it say no one knows the season? It does not even imply that.
Some assert that it does, but they cannot provide a concrete basis for that assumption.
This is the first time I have revealed this information, like the vision I told you about previously.
I will have to assume, based on replies to rus virgil, that you will assume that I am a few eggs short of a dozen. And that being true, what better place, then, to post this info.
Bill (Copy of post at jwsupport- http://www.jwsupportforum.com/index.php?to...g69079#msg69079 )
From a following post on jwsupport:
Aloha,
I forgot to mention something else.
After countless years of home book studies, the WTS has discontinued this meeting.
I recognized the reason for this being that the message will soon change.
Those who have been in the truth a while are aware that, after over 100 years of preaching the good news of the Kingdom, a time would come when the message would shift to a message of Judgment.
It will become dangerous for witnesses to meet in homes when this message begins.
So this meeting was discontinued in anticipation of the delivery of the message of Judgment.
Over the last 7 years, I have come upon info about 6 months before it comes out in the Watchtower. Using this analogy, I guess the WTS will announce the new message to be delivered sometime between August and January. It is my understanding that there is a special assembly in December that no one is supposed to miss.
Regarding 1914. Satan WAS cast to earth, having great anger. Even removing any/all Bible prophesy cannot remove this historically obvious event.
I know that you can prove we will not know the day and hour.
Can you prove that we will not know the year or season, I mean PROVE?
You seem to have overlooked the obvious. If the Disgusting Things presence is to be so clearly apparent, then why did Jesus need to warn us about it? And why use the term "DISCERNMENT"?
Discernment- discrimination; acuteness of judgment and understanding, judgment, perspicacity, penetration, insight.
Only those with insight, understanding, and acuteness of judgment will see the Disgusting Things presence.
If the home book study was discontinued for financial reasons, then it should have been discontinued at least 40 years ago. People in poor countries have always had to suffer to attend any meetings. The home book study was one of the most upbuilding studies there was. Very spiritual.
Someone referred to the Judgment message as programing. Would you say, then, that to Noah?
The End WILL come, we have God's promise.
Do you believe, then, that we all have exactly the same knowledge and understanding?
Do you believe it is possible for someone to know or understand something someone else does not?
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is a teacher?
Do you not believe the prophesy that prophets would appear in the last days?
Visions, prophesy, and miracles are for those who have faith, not the faithless.
Moses performed 10 prophesies to a large nation, which immediately followed, yet people still did not believe.
Jesus performed miracles every day for 3 1/2 years, still may did not believe.
For the faithful one- one miracle, vision, or prophesy is one more than they need to believe. These things are for an encouragement. So much more so the reason for Jehovah to grant such things to those who have this kind of faith.
Visions, prophesy, and miracles are for those who have faith, not the faithless.
If means if
May means may
Could means could
I used if, may, and could because I was only relaying information. I never told anyone that they HAD to believe me
Let me share with you how the Holy Spirit worked with me.
This comment is for informational purposes only.
You are not under obligation to believe anything that I write or say.
After receiving the Holy Spirit in the spring of 2002, the following occurred.
I would ask questions silently in my mind, and the answer
would come to me as knowledge, instantly.
Just like when you have knowledge the sky is blue,
you don't have to look up to check.
I never heard any voices, nor saw images, nor visions.
Except a little over a year ago, I did have a powerful vision,
which I may relate at a later date.
On a couple of occasions, the question was answered before I
had even completed asking it. This began occurring almost 7 years ago,
and I have not told anyone this until now.
So if I were bragging, or just simply mad, it does not seem entirely logical that I could control myself enough to seal my lips for so long.
Could you exercise that much self-control?
I had e mail contact with Watchman about the vision that I had,
and he suggested that I post it on this web site.
Maybe he does not agree with me about everything,
but he offered me the chance to be here.
In fact, I posted comments on his videos and commentary's in a critical way
even before I was approved to be a member here.
In spite of this, my wife and I really enjoy his videos,
and commentaries. That is how I found this site.
Prophesy is almost never realized until it has been fulfilled.
Prophesy's fulfillment is frequently unexpected in realization.
A million or more Jews anticipated Jesus arrival by date
and location as a result of many dozens of prophesies.
Did the Jews recognize the presence of God's son in Galilee? No.
Did the Jews recognize Jesus when he revealed himself to them in the synagogue? No. Were they not filled with joy? No.
They were angry, and wanted to kill him.
Jesus traveled about, teaching and performing miracles.
The people asked "Could this be the Christ?"
But many were stumbled because he taught with parables.
Was not it prophesied that the Christ was to be their King,
and did not some, believing Jesus to be the Christ, try to make him King?
Were they not also stumbled when be proved to them
to be no part of their understanding of prophesy?
After Jesus was put to death, how many Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah?
Was it 75%?, 50%?, 25%? Wasn't it less than 10%?
What happened? All those prophesies, and no one understood.
They lacked vision, discernment, and most importantly lot's of faith.
Is it not just possible, but all too likely that we are no different?
I have proved to you that I have vision, discernment, and faith.
(Have I not explained these things to you,
and how can someone explain something, unless he understands it?)
Will you prove to me that you have vision, discernment, and faith?
If you cannot, then it is very unlikely that you will understand and interpret prophesy, no matter how much you study and discuss.
Were not the Jews experts in such matters, yet God's prophesy eluded them?
Do you recall how Jehovah did this in the past?
Did He not use humans to provide a warning?
You are right about the Holy Spirit.
Jehovah is actively using the Holy Spirit right now,
especially so because of the importance of this time.
Have confidence, the time is nearby.
This should be our goal, that through discernment,
we come to understand God's will in prophesy.
No one should be so presumptuous to assume they
can calculate and formulate the interpretation of a prophesy,
without a Godly trained insight. And Holy Spirit.
If it is not granted, no understanding will occur.
Is abuse by aposers not a clear indication of correct interpretation,
as history has clearly shown this to be true. Why do they ridicule
and lie about someone, unless they are afraid of something?
Something true.
You wrote "Does your God-given discernment
or "Holy Spirit" unveil dark clouds of misunderstanding
or ignorance over large parts of the Bible"?
I can only think, Boy, would that be nice.
But I don't think that has ever happened for anyone.
(with the exception of Jesus, of course)
And therein lays the problem.
When someone does have an understanding revealed to them,
and others discern this, it is too easy for the one receiving
the blessing to begin relying on their own understanding
about other things, when people come to question them further.
Like what happened to Peter, he thought he had faith and understanding,
but attempted to get Jesus to consider not giving up his life.
I am constantly aware of the responsibility that comes
from accepting this blessing. I am now under obligation
to state any personal opinion or insight with regard to how
I communicate with others as such.
As Paul wrote, then, that they became "slaves" of the "spirit".
Many here seem to have questions about the anointed,
do they have more (or special) knowledge?
Do they sin, like the test of us?
Saul was anointed, yet later, began to feel that
it was according to his own power, that he had achieved success.
Solomon was anointed, yet later, began to feel
that it was according to his own power that he had achieved success.
Judas received Holy Spirit, and his righteousness
was indistinguishable from the other apostles.
He bore witness of the Good News, expelled demons,
and healed people, along with the others.
But he began to rely on his own understanding.
This can happen today too. Some can begin to rely
on their own understanding, and soon lose contact
with the Holy Spirit as a result.
May our confidence remain in Jehovah and
His promises, especially in light of the
critical times that we are now enduring.
But the things I told you were not a product of great understanding,
knowledge, wisdom, study, comprehension, books, reading, listening,
or any source on the earth, or available to man.
These things were given to me, free, a gift.
I remain grateful.
Aloha,
This is absolutely amazing. This is other information which confirms
exactly what I had mentioned under another topic about an explanation
of how 1975 was a date which confirmed a particular Bible prophesy.
Thank you Cofty for posting that quote, I read that with shock.
Like 1914, the Watchtower was only partially correct in their prophesy about that year.
I recently recognized that 1975 was a prophetic year, and the following events explain how.
Jesus said "when you catch sight of the disgusting thing
that causes desolation standing in a holy place..."
1. 1975, the first year of peace and security, as announced by the president.
No steps were initiated to actually start peace and security,
but the announcement was made regarding future intentions.
2. After this date, the Watchtower Society was involved with the U.N.
3. Soon after 1975, Ray Franz disassociated himself from the Watchtower Society because the governing body was no longer following Holy Spirit.
4. By 1979 the secret elders book "Pay Attention to Yourselves and The Flock" was ready for print.
5. Secret letters to the elders began to be distributed monthly.
6. Subliminal demonic and sexual illustrations began appearing in publications after 1975. See the "You Can Live Forever" and "Revelation" book.
7. After 1975 many anointed ones started getting disfellowshipped.
8. As mentioned by rus virgil, beginning January 1, 1976, a major shift occurred in the administration of the Watchtower Society.
These prove that the disgusting thing had taken control of
the Watchtower Society, that is, It was standing in the Holy Place.
Next the writer said "let the reader use discernment"
Of course, the Watchtower Society is not going to warn you that they are
going to come under the direct control of Satan, so you must discern that yourself.
Next was written "begin fleeing to the mountains"
This means to abandon the things of this world. The end is near, if you devote yourself to getting rich, or any other selfish pursuits,
you will be wasting your time. Get to know Jehovah, and rely on Him.
(from Rus Virgil's link- So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear:
“Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps."
(And here we have the first six)
Then, we read on:
“In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society."
(And this is the second six)
Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsibilities:
1 – president;
2 – secretary;
3 – accountant;
4 – the supervisor of the minister school;
5 – the supervisor of the ministry service;
6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department.
All these together represent the number 666!) END OF LINK from Rus Virgil.
Further, consider this- about the three and a half times.
If a time were 10 years, times were 20 years and a half time were 5 years, that would be 35 years. If 35 years started in 1975, then it would end in 2010. Now in the spring of 2002, I asked the Holy Spirit when Armageddon would come, and I understood 8 years. Now I understood that by the spring of 2010 it will come as mentioned by all of the preceding. I have always believed that if I knew this, others did also.
Many here have criticized the WTS for setting years, but the WTS was partially right about 1975 being significant, like 1914.
The Bible says that no one knows the day or hour. True.
Does it say no one knows the year? Does it say no one knows the season? It does not even imply that.
Some assert that it does, but they cannot provide a concrete basis for that assumption.
This is the first time I have revealed this information, like the vision I told you about previously.
I will have to assume, based on replies to rus virgil, that you will assume that I am a few eggs short of a dozen. And that being true, what better place, then, to post this info.
Bill (Copy of post at jwsupport- http://www.jwsupportforum.com/index.php?to...g69079#msg69079 )
From a following post on jwsupport:
Aloha,
I forgot to mention something else.
After countless years of home book studies, the WTS has discontinued this meeting.
I recognized the reason for this being that the message will soon change.
Those who have been in the truth a while are aware that, after over 100 years of preaching the good news of the Kingdom, a time would come when the message would shift to a message of Judgment.
It will become dangerous for witnesses to meet in homes when this message begins.
So this meeting was discontinued in anticipation of the delivery of the message of Judgment.
Over the last 7 years, I have come upon info about 6 months before it comes out in the Watchtower. Using this analogy, I guess the WTS will announce the new message to be delivered sometime between August and January. It is my understanding that there is a special assembly in December that no one is supposed to miss.
Regarding 1914. Satan WAS cast to earth, having great anger. Even removing any/all Bible prophesy cannot remove this historically obvious event.
I know that you can prove we will not know the day and hour.
Can you prove that we will not know the year or season, I mean PROVE?
You seem to have overlooked the obvious. If the Disgusting Things presence is to be so clearly apparent, then why did Jesus need to warn us about it? And why use the term "DISCERNMENT"?
Discernment- discrimination; acuteness of judgment and understanding, judgment, perspicacity, penetration, insight.
Only those with insight, understanding, and acuteness of judgment will see the Disgusting Things presence.
If the home book study was discontinued for financial reasons, then it should have been discontinued at least 40 years ago. People in poor countries have always had to suffer to attend any meetings. The home book study was one of the most upbuilding studies there was. Very spiritual.
Someone referred to the Judgment message as programing. Would you say, then, that to Noah?
The End WILL come, we have God's promise.
Do you believe, then, that we all have exactly the same knowledge and understanding?
Do you believe it is possible for someone to know or understand something someone else does not?
Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is a teacher?
Do you not believe the prophesy that prophets would appear in the last days?
Visions, prophesy, and miracles are for those who have faith, not the faithless.
Moses performed 10 prophesies to a large nation, which immediately followed, yet people still did not believe.
Jesus performed miracles every day for 3 1/2 years, still may did not believe.
For the faithful one- one miracle, vision, or prophesy is one more than they need to believe. These things are for an encouragement. So much more so the reason for Jehovah to grant such things to those who have this kind of faith.
Visions, prophesy, and miracles are for those who have faith, not the faithless.
If means if
May means may
Could means could
I used if, may, and could because I was only relaying information. I never told anyone that they HAD to believe me
Let me share with you how the Holy Spirit worked with me.
This comment is for informational purposes only.
You are not under obligation to believe anything that I write or say.
After receiving the Holy Spirit in the spring of 2002, the following occurred.
I would ask questions silently in my mind, and the answer
would come to me as knowledge, instantly.
Just like when you have knowledge the sky is blue,
you don't have to look up to check.
I never heard any voices, nor saw images, nor visions.
Except a little over a year ago, I did have a powerful vision,
which I may relate at a later date.
On a couple of occasions, the question was answered before I
had even completed asking it. This began occurring almost 7 years ago,
and I have not told anyone this until now.
So if I were bragging, or just simply mad, it does not seem entirely logical that I could control myself enough to seal my lips for so long.
Could you exercise that much self-control?
I had e mail contact with Watchman about the vision that I had,
and he suggested that I post it on this web site.
Maybe he does not agree with me about everything,
but he offered me the chance to be here.
In fact, I posted comments on his videos and commentary's in a critical way
even before I was approved to be a member here.
In spite of this, my wife and I really enjoy his videos,
and commentaries. That is how I found this site.
Prophesy is almost never realized until it has been fulfilled.
Prophesy's fulfillment is frequently unexpected in realization.
A million or more Jews anticipated Jesus arrival by date
and location as a result of many dozens of prophesies.
Did the Jews recognize the presence of God's son in Galilee? No.
Did the Jews recognize Jesus when he revealed himself to them in the synagogue? No. Were they not filled with joy? No.
They were angry, and wanted to kill him.
Jesus traveled about, teaching and performing miracles.
The people asked "Could this be the Christ?"
But many were stumbled because he taught with parables.
Was not it prophesied that the Christ was to be their King,
and did not some, believing Jesus to be the Christ, try to make him King?
Were they not also stumbled when be proved to them
to be no part of their understanding of prophesy?
After Jesus was put to death, how many Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah?
Was it 75%?, 50%?, 25%? Wasn't it less than 10%?
What happened? All those prophesies, and no one understood.
They lacked vision, discernment, and most importantly lot's of faith.
Is it not just possible, but all too likely that we are no different?
I have proved to you that I have vision, discernment, and faith.
(Have I not explained these things to you,
and how can someone explain something, unless he understands it?)
Will you prove to me that you have vision, discernment, and faith?
If you cannot, then it is very unlikely that you will understand and interpret prophesy, no matter how much you study and discuss.
Were not the Jews experts in such matters, yet God's prophesy eluded them?
Do you recall how Jehovah did this in the past?
Did He not use humans to provide a warning?
You are right about the Holy Spirit.
Jehovah is actively using the Holy Spirit right now,
especially so because of the importance of this time.
Have confidence, the time is nearby.
This should be our goal, that through discernment,
we come to understand God's will in prophesy.
No one should be so presumptuous to assume they
can calculate and formulate the interpretation of a prophesy,
without a Godly trained insight. And Holy Spirit.
If it is not granted, no understanding will occur.
Is abuse by aposers not a clear indication of correct interpretation,
as history has clearly shown this to be true. Why do they ridicule
and lie about someone, unless they are afraid of something?
Something true.
You wrote "Does your God-given discernment
or "Holy Spirit" unveil dark clouds of misunderstanding
or ignorance over large parts of the Bible"?
I can only think, Boy, would that be nice.
But I don't think that has ever happened for anyone.
(with the exception of Jesus, of course)
And therein lays the problem.
When someone does have an understanding revealed to them,
and others discern this, it is too easy for the one receiving
the blessing to begin relying on their own understanding
about other things, when people come to question them further.
Like what happened to Peter, he thought he had faith and understanding,
but attempted to get Jesus to consider not giving up his life.
I am constantly aware of the responsibility that comes
from accepting this blessing. I am now under obligation
to state any personal opinion or insight with regard to how
I communicate with others as such.
As Paul wrote, then, that they became "slaves" of the "spirit".
Many here seem to have questions about the anointed,
do they have more (or special) knowledge?
Do they sin, like the test of us?
Saul was anointed, yet later, began to feel that
it was according to his own power, that he had achieved success.
Solomon was anointed, yet later, began to feel
that it was according to his own power that he had achieved success.
Judas received Holy Spirit, and his righteousness
was indistinguishable from the other apostles.
He bore witness of the Good News, expelled demons,
and healed people, along with the others.
But he began to rely on his own understanding.
This can happen today too. Some can begin to rely
on their own understanding, and soon lose contact
with the Holy Spirit as a result.
May our confidence remain in Jehovah and
His promises, especially in light of the
critical times that we are now enduring.
But the things I told you were not a product of great understanding,
knowledge, wisdom, study, comprehension, books, reading, listening,
or any source on the earth, or available to man.
These things were given to me, free, a gift.
I remain grateful.
Vision About Jesus Revealed at the End
Alo ha,
Yesterday, Jehovah showed me how an event will occur
that many are curious about, and would like to understand better.
That is, how the end will display itself.
Something like thunder will occur simultaneously over the earth.
It will travel into our bones, the shaking of it terrifying.
It will definitely be unlike anything anyone has ever experienced,
and so this makes it difficult to explain.
I felt it, and saw it's effect.
Instantly, all alive will become spirits with flesh.
As explained previously, we are spirits with bodies.
But some here disputed this obvious fact. We have a spiritual need,
and we try to manifest the fruits of the spirit.
Why would we be doing these if we are not spirits?
So then, our spirit, not a part of our conscious mind now,
will become dominate in all mankind at this time after the thunder.
Those with a righteous spirit will not be afraid,
but those who are unrighteous will be terrified.
It is at this time, being spirits, that the mark becomes the ulcer.
That is because all things will dissolve, in a figurative way.
As spirits have no need for any material thing,
those rich or carrying debt will suffer a dire frustration.
The Bible says that it will come as a thief.
Many visualize this as coming home after being robbed
and finding your things taken. It does not mean it in this way.
Can you predict when lightening will flash?
As the lightening flashes, it comes- as a thief.
So to, when Jesus is revealed, it will come at a moment
completely unpredictable, in a shocking way.
That is not to say that those who believe will not be expecting it in it's season.
As it is written, that two can be on a roof, one is taken.
Or a person will not even have time to grab his garment.
So it will come, just like a thunder. No advance warning of any kind, for anyone.
All living persons on the earth will instantly
see through eyes and understanding of spirit.
That is why those with the Mark will feel the Ulcer.
Material things- homes, possessions, and even debt will cause great anxiety.
Please, use your surplus to help others, and repair all your debts.
I would not have seen this, if it was not very near.
I cannot tell you why Jehovah continues to show such kindness to me,
it truly is amazing, very much.
June 1, 2009. When unrighteous ones recognize their destruction is eminent,
they will kill the Two Witnesses, and attack Christians.
They will attribute their new power and understanding to themselves,
because of their arrogance. They will then war with God.
Yesterday, Jehovah showed me how an event will occur
that many are curious about, and would like to understand better.
That is, how the end will display itself.
Something like thunder will occur simultaneously over the earth.
It will travel into our bones, the shaking of it terrifying.
It will definitely be unlike anything anyone has ever experienced,
and so this makes it difficult to explain.
I felt it, and saw it's effect.
Instantly, all alive will become spirits with flesh.
As explained previously, we are spirits with bodies.
But some here disputed this obvious fact. We have a spiritual need,
and we try to manifest the fruits of the spirit.
Why would we be doing these if we are not spirits?
So then, our spirit, not a part of our conscious mind now,
will become dominate in all mankind at this time after the thunder.
Those with a righteous spirit will not be afraid,
but those who are unrighteous will be terrified.
It is at this time, being spirits, that the mark becomes the ulcer.
That is because all things will dissolve, in a figurative way.
As spirits have no need for any material thing,
those rich or carrying debt will suffer a dire frustration.
The Bible says that it will come as a thief.
Many visualize this as coming home after being robbed
and finding your things taken. It does not mean it in this way.
Can you predict when lightening will flash?
As the lightening flashes, it comes- as a thief.
So to, when Jesus is revealed, it will come at a moment
completely unpredictable, in a shocking way.
That is not to say that those who believe will not be expecting it in it's season.
As it is written, that two can be on a roof, one is taken.
Or a person will not even have time to grab his garment.
So it will come, just like a thunder. No advance warning of any kind, for anyone.
All living persons on the earth will instantly
see through eyes and understanding of spirit.
That is why those with the Mark will feel the Ulcer.
Material things- homes, possessions, and even debt will cause great anxiety.
Please, use your surplus to help others, and repair all your debts.
I would not have seen this, if it was not very near.
I cannot tell you why Jehovah continues to show such kindness to me,
it truly is amazing, very much.
June 1, 2009. When unrighteous ones recognize their destruction is eminent,
they will kill the Two Witnesses, and attack Christians.
They will attribute their new power and understanding to themselves,
because of their arrogance. They will then war with God.
Jehovah's Mighty Plow
A vision from Jehovah
To Rose
Lightening, in the form of horses,
(Rev. 6:2-4-5-8-Spirit horses, Matt. 28:2-4, Luke 24:3-5, Deu. 33:1-3, Dan. 10:5-7, Hos. 6:4-6, Nah. 2:3-5, Eze. 1:13-15- Judgment like lightning- angels appear as lightning, etc.)
pull the mighty plow, with unstoppable force.
(Jer. 26:17-19, Hos. 10:10-12, Amo. 6:11-13, Amo. 9:12-14, Mic. 3:11-12- zion plowed, justice, hope, etc.)
The plows teeth, with a man's face on the front looking about,
dig deeply into the silt,
instantly vaporizing it into a trailing cloud of fine dry dust.
Prophets Jehovah is sending forth, as teeth on a plow,
just moments before a calamity.
Jehovah's anger has been unleashed.
A great downpour is coming.
The earth will certainly become flooded with God's justice,
as a grain of salt in a bucket of water.
(Isa. 28:17-justice in flood)
In darkness, from behind heavy bars, eyes of pain
peer out and ask "What is this? Is it the promised refreshment?"
Will man see hope, when his own eye and heart
is bursting with sorrow over the evil power of this world?
It is here. Man's rule is done.
Has not our sacrifice to Jehovah been as excrement,
a dry, hard packed block on an alter of steel?
Will Jehovah turn away, or wait to see if we feel shame,
and sweep away this disgusting sight?
(Mal. 1:7, 2:3, Heb. 10:1-3, 6, 10-12, 13:6, Mark 12:32-34, Tit. 1:15-16, Matt. 12:6-8- sacrifice not pleasing, detestable, despised, no mercy-love)
Will we search for His forgiveness? Will we seek His pleasure?
As if our hearts could contain it without bursting.
Even clean ones are soiled and unclean before Jehovah.
The crow turns the handle and opens a door, not knowing what is within.
Human beasts of every sort gather. They are a great sacrifice,
and their smoke will fill the sky, into the night.
(2 pet. 2:12, Jude 1:10, Tit. 1:12, Eze. 39:17, Jer. 7:33, Ecc. 3:18, Isa. 46:10-12, Dan. 4:6, Isa. 34:10-11- evil beastlike man to perish)
Their bones only will remain, covering the ground like broken jars.
(Rom. 9:22, Isa. 10:6, Lam. 4:2, Psm. 2:9, Jer. 25:34, Rev. 2:27- like clay jars to shatter and trample)
What gift can we give to Jehovah?
Roving insects move on the surface and under the sea.
Observe how they constantly search.
Just as the ones looking for Jehovah, they too peer and look about.
They ask "Where is He? Have you seen Him? Is He concealed? Is He hiding?"
Man has covered his own eyes with scales, like the scales of a fish,
so as not to see him.
My eyes have scales too, do I dare ask His help to remove them?
(Acts 9:18- scales fell from eyes)
Can I bear to behold His truth, dignity, and majesty?
Am I worthy, certainly not, if the truth is to be told?
Like a bold man, in the sun, He is there.
(Jer. 14:9, Isa. 65:1-3)
Like a full moon, glowing behind soft clouds,
a prominent feature of the night, so is Jehovah.
I do love His creation.
God has given man indefinitely lasting gifts,
immeasurable to count and calculate.
Aloha,
If you are like me, you may be curious
as to the circumstance under which a vision may present itself.
So with your permission, I will relate my experience.
On a particular Sunday afternoon, over a year ago,
I was contemplating calling my mother,
a faithful witness. I wanted to discuss a spiritual matter with her.
This is not easy, because I was disfellowshipped
Oct. 2001 (for something I did not do- that's another story).
I cannot be re-instated, because to be re-instated,
one must first repent for the sin for which one was disfellowshipped,
so how do I repent for something I did not do?
I closed my eyes and started to see this powerful image
of the horses pulling the plow, with the details as mentioned.
The image was so powerful, that I opened my eyes,
got a pen and paper, and recorded what was seen.
I then closed my eyes, and the vision continued.
I would stop and write down what was seen
several times until it was finished.
Afterward, I felt very grateful, and something
occurred that had never happened to me before, nor since.
Tears actually shot out of my eyes, rather than roll out and down.
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to present this information,
as up to now I have kept it to myself, with the exception of telling two others.
Bill (posted 2/18/09 on jwsupport.com)
About late April, 2009, I became aware that this vision was about the Two Witnesses.
3/3/2010- This vision is about the revelation of modern prophesy,
and interpretation of former prophesy, not the two witnesses.
To Rose
Jehovah's Has Sent A Mighty Plow
Lightening, in the form of horses,
(Rev. 6:2-4-5-8-Spirit horses, Matt. 28:2-4, Luke 24:3-5, Deu. 33:1-3, Dan. 10:5-7, Hos. 6:4-6, Nah. 2:3-5, Eze. 1:13-15- Judgment like lightning- angels appear as lightning, etc.)
pull the mighty plow, with unstoppable force.
(Jer. 26:17-19, Hos. 10:10-12, Amo. 6:11-13, Amo. 9:12-14, Mic. 3:11-12- zion plowed, justice, hope, etc.)
The plows teeth, with a man's face on the front looking about,
dig deeply into the silt,
instantly vaporizing it into a trailing cloud of fine dry dust.
Prophets Jehovah is sending forth, as teeth on a plow,
just moments before a calamity.
Jehovah's anger has been unleashed.
A great downpour is coming.
The earth will certainly become flooded with God's justice,
as a grain of salt in a bucket of water.
(Isa. 28:17-justice in flood)
In darkness, from behind heavy bars, eyes of pain
peer out and ask "What is this? Is it the promised refreshment?"
Will man see hope, when his own eye and heart
is bursting with sorrow over the evil power of this world?
It is here. Man's rule is done.
Has not our sacrifice to Jehovah been as excrement,
a dry, hard packed block on an alter of steel?
Will Jehovah turn away, or wait to see if we feel shame,
and sweep away this disgusting sight?
(Mal. 1:7, 2:3, Heb. 10:1-3, 6, 10-12, 13:6, Mark 12:32-34, Tit. 1:15-16, Matt. 12:6-8- sacrifice not pleasing, detestable, despised, no mercy-love)
Will we search for His forgiveness? Will we seek His pleasure?
As if our hearts could contain it without bursting.
Even clean ones are soiled and unclean before Jehovah.
The crow turns the handle and opens a door, not knowing what is within.
Human beasts of every sort gather. They are a great sacrifice,
and their smoke will fill the sky, into the night.
(2 pet. 2:12, Jude 1:10, Tit. 1:12, Eze. 39:17, Jer. 7:33, Ecc. 3:18, Isa. 46:10-12, Dan. 4:6, Isa. 34:10-11- evil beastlike man to perish)
Their bones only will remain, covering the ground like broken jars.
(Rom. 9:22, Isa. 10:6, Lam. 4:2, Psm. 2:9, Jer. 25:34, Rev. 2:27- like clay jars to shatter and trample)
What gift can we give to Jehovah?
Roving insects move on the surface and under the sea.
Observe how they constantly search.
Just as the ones looking for Jehovah, they too peer and look about.
They ask "Where is He? Have you seen Him? Is He concealed? Is He hiding?"
Man has covered his own eyes with scales, like the scales of a fish,
so as not to see him.
My eyes have scales too, do I dare ask His help to remove them?
(Acts 9:18- scales fell from eyes)
Can I bear to behold His truth, dignity, and majesty?
Am I worthy, certainly not, if the truth is to be told?
Like a bold man, in the sun, He is there.
(Jer. 14:9, Isa. 65:1-3)
Like a full moon, glowing behind soft clouds,
a prominent feature of the night, so is Jehovah.
I do love His creation.
God has given man indefinitely lasting gifts,
immeasurable to count and calculate.
Aloha,
If you are like me, you may be curious
as to the circumstance under which a vision may present itself.
So with your permission, I will relate my experience.
On a particular Sunday afternoon, over a year ago,
I was contemplating calling my mother,
a faithful witness. I wanted to discuss a spiritual matter with her.
This is not easy, because I was disfellowshipped
Oct. 2001 (for something I did not do- that's another story).
I cannot be re-instated, because to be re-instated,
one must first repent for the sin for which one was disfellowshipped,
so how do I repent for something I did not do?
I closed my eyes and started to see this powerful image
of the horses pulling the plow, with the details as mentioned.
The image was so powerful, that I opened my eyes,
got a pen and paper, and recorded what was seen.
I then closed my eyes, and the vision continued.
I would stop and write down what was seen
several times until it was finished.
Afterward, I felt very grateful, and something
occurred that had never happened to me before, nor since.
Tears actually shot out of my eyes, rather than roll out and down.
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to present this information,
as up to now I have kept it to myself, with the exception of telling two others.
Bill (posted 2/18/09 on jwsupport.com)
About late April, 2009, I became aware that this vision was about the Two Witnesses.
3/3/2010- This vision is about the revelation of modern prophesy,
and interpretation of former prophesy, not the two witnesses.
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