Saturday, June 20, 2009

The Vision of Obediah

Futureman posted a question on e Jehovahs Witnesses asking if others there might understand Obediah's vision. Watchman replied that it was a prophesy about the Catholic Church. I read the vision about what was referenced to as Edom and Esau.
I feel the Holy Spirit taught me what the vision referred to.
Here listed are some points from the vision, and the interpretation I was given.

1. "You are despised very much".
The U.S. is internationally despised for it's gross consumption of fuel and raw materials, it's meddling in foreign affairs, it's general arrogance and apathy
for the rest of the world.

2. "saying in his heart "Who will bring me down to the earth?""
The U.S. considers itself unbeatable in military might, and monitory security.

3. "...make your position high like the eagle,..."
The U.S. national symbol is the eagle.

4. "if among the stars there were a placing of your nest"
The U.S. uses stars on their flag.

5. "the very men in covenant with you have all deceived you."
The nations make agreements with the U.S., but do not honor these.

6. "The men at peace with you have prevailed against you."
The nations engage in trade that is biased, the result is the huge trade deficit.
Now the U.S. is deeply in debt to those "at peace" with the U.S.

7. ""And I shall certainly destroy the wise ones out of Edom,...""
No U.S. government office at all seems capable of carrying out
a wise and sound function. No one has confidence in these government offices.

8. "And your mighty men must become terrified,..."
The U.S. continually notifies the world of any country
or ruler that it considers a threat, whether real or perceived.
Korea, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Cuba, Venezuela,
El Salvador, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cambodia, China, Russia, etc.

9. "In the day when you stood off to the side,... when strangers took...
and when outright foreigners entered his gate, and over Jerusalem
they cast lots, you also were like one of them."
In 1948 Jerusalem was placed under the control of the Arab states,
by the United Nations. Muslims destroyed most historical sites.

10. "And the exiles of Jerusalem,... will take possession of the cities of the Negeb."
This identifies the area south of Jerusalem, in a dry region.

11. Edom was south of Jerusalem, as the U.S. is identified as being the "South".

Tuesday, June 2, 2009

Pay Attention Book, Secret Elders book- God's will?

Aloha,- copy of letter

November 23, 2004
Dear Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,
May I mention a few things to you about the book "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"?
I have been a friend of Jehovah for over 45 years and have studied the Bible and many Watchtower publications over those years. Yet I am firmly convinced from that study , all the meetings, and the assemblies that Jehovah's faithful servant's from the beginning of history until late 1970 were NEVER given secret writings authored to a select few or one. Especially after Jesus brought the good news about God's Kingdom and firmly taught us about how we are all brothers and sisters, so much more emphasizing how wrong it appears to be supplying secret instructions to a small, select group. Not one human was ever given secret writings from Jehovah, not even those one's He personally called His "friends".

Is Jehovah Himself, the most wonderfully powerful Being in the universe, not able to support the Watchtower Society's decision to keep the "Book" secret? In fact is not this "Book" the most easily accessed publication ever printed by the Watchtower Society, as anywhere and anytime it can be reviewed on the internet? It seems obvious to me that Jehovah Himself has accomplished this. Why? That is obvious too. Jehovah is patient, but he does discipline. And this is discipline.

I have read the "Book" and find it's contents instructively beneficial (I am not nor have I ever been an elder). But this "Book" has created a huge problem. Since the books contents and instructions are secret, any deficiency in it's application is only noted by those who possess the "Book". And if these one's happen to be the "wolves" whom Jesus truthfully prophesied about, then the damage that can be done is immeasurable. I know this for a fact from my own personal experience. And I also know too that many countless one's have been fraudulently disfellowshipped, the result being that many have been stumbled, have suffered severe emotional damage, etc., and even committed suicide.

From the World's point of view, can you imagine going into the courtroom on criminal charges to find that only the Judge is entitled access to the laws, the rules of court, the proceedures, the codes, the regulations, the statutes, etc. Any country or government that practiced such a thing could fairly be thought of as corrupt. Can someone as just as Jehovah maintain a different view, especially in light of the great harm and reproach that has resulted from the secret information in this "Book", not that the information is corrupt but that those who use it do not always follow the instructions within carefully. And who's to know any differently other than the elders themselves?

If I know these things, then obviously many others do also. And of course you must have been aware of this problem for some time. There are other problems created by this "Book" aside from the judicial aspects, as again you must be well aware of by now so I won't write you about these.

The weight of this knowledge is especially unpleasant due to the fact that I am disfellowshipped, you view me as nothing, and to date you have completely ignored my many letters and pleas. I continue to wait patiently for the Watchtower Societies anointed one's to humble themselves, and make a much needed correction. We know very soon Good Jehovah and His Son are coming to make an inspection, as this has been prophesied as you have shown us.
Sincerely, William G_____ (mrgalleria)

Here is an excerpt from a letter written to the Kealakekua (Hawaii) Body of Elders on September 26, 2005:

"Without scriptural basis, the secret book "Pay Attention" and Confidential Letters have been distributed to the elders, and these same one's have accepted these in spite of their previous Bible training.

Now the only people who can read these are the elders or those accused of being apostates- an interesting association. How can elders truly be our brothers when they have their own education and information? They are a brotherhood unto themselves- the Brotherhood of Elders. And also there is a third brotherhood- the Brotherhood of the Disobedient Elders- these one's are disobedient to the instructions of the "Pay Attention" book. Many very serious problems are the result of the "Pay Attention" book (see attached letter to the Governing Body). There is no scriptural basis for the production and use of the "Pay Attention" book and secret letters, and it is most likely that their use displeases Jehovah.

2. Return the "Pay Attention" book and the secret letters to the Watchtower Society."

You can easily read the book here-
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/flockbook/

I find it's content important, especially to those who may go before
a judicial committee.

For example, when I was called to attend a judicial meeting,
I thought they were going to help me with my marital problems.
They did not tell me the purpose of the meeting, which is a violation of the book.
Later, while in abeyance (waiting for your appeal process) they forbid me from talking with anyone in the hall (Joe Moore, Ray Gritness, Fred Clough).
I was in abeyance for 2 1/2 months.

The book does have all kinds of information in one place that every baptized witness definitely needs and is entitled to.

The elders (Wolves) use this information as a point of leverage against the brothers and sisters. I observe them violate the instructions continually, which can only mean that they do not understand the book, or are simply disobedient.
Now if you are disobedient, you will be punished by them. But this book allows them to act above the law. It is a very corrupt circumstance.
So it is very fitting to apply the possession and distribution of this book to an act originating with Satan.

With this book, you can be fraudulently disfellowshipped.
Because everyone assumes that the elders (Wolves) have God's direction, and access to information that we do not. Why would someone commit suicide,
if they were justifiably disfellowshipped?
And not only are the elders (Wolves) not ever held accountable for their acts,
but whatever decision is taken by the elders (Wolves),
the Watchtower Society is compelled to support them.
The result being a very evil process.
I, too, like many here, have suffered immeasurable pain and loss because of acts committed by the elders (Wolves). I, too, came close to, and frequently considered suicide. That is despirit and traumatic. After over 7 years the pain has only subsided slightly.

I have a friend, who is still driven to tears after 30+ years, as a result of being raped in the Kingdom Hall (and the rapist was caught in the act by two elders (Wolves)- who did nothing).

I have confidence that only Jehovah is capable of bringing about the justice that we seek, and only Jehovah can relieve the pain that we suffer. We have Jesus word that both of these things shall certainly occur.

I Can Prove Evolution

evolusion ex planed

I can explaned evolusion itso simple even stoopids can under stood.
first place your papa was the ape and your grampa was the meba.
a meba is a tiny round sqishy thing like a booger but alive.
cause so when i lernt sci-ants in skool and we lernt bout animals
an the moon an things.
now you think i am lion cause you never seen no evolusion but thats cause
she (evolusion is your mama) has been takin a nap for a few thou-sand yeers
cause she was tired from makin mebas into apes, and other stuf 2.

guess but soon shes gonna wake up and start makin stuff betta and betta again.
so first she ll start with peepal and she ll take away the skin and put on feathers
like a duck so we wont hav 2 by close no mo.
and sides when we jump in the lake
and com bak out we dont need no towel.
and next she can giv us about 6 legs so we cant fall no mo.
besides we can ride a bike and swicth legs
when we git tired so we dont need cars cause they kaus polusion.
then she ll give us 2 nos s cause we can smell in 3d.
u no what 3d is, rite? don't be a stoopid.

an next we git eyes all around cause so
we can cee wher we is going and where we came from.
an next shes gonna give us 6 arms so we can do 2 things at the same time.
an reel smart guys will do 3 things at the same time and
you can git ready for church reel fast
cus you can brush your teeth, shav and comm your hare
all at the same time and she is goona keep
makin us betta and betta and even fix our biggest problem

and so peepal dont git lonly no mo and they dont hav
to stand by the skool or the park to find somebody
cus evolusion is gonna give us male (thats a boee)
and female (thats a girl) Gentiles (thats your wee wee)
both and when you make a baby you will git 10 or 20
so you dont have 2 wait for a family

an ther will be no mo sex problems cus you can bee your own wife and husband
but if you like someone than you can be hetro (boy likes girl) homo (girl likes girl)
bio (boy likes girl likes girl likes boy et setera).
So now you betta under stood evolusion so dont be a stoopid.

Monday, June 1, 2009

Modern Websites Influence in Current Prophesy

Modern Websites Influence in Current Prophesy
is a logical conclusion to arrive at in the discernment of Bible prophesy.

For example, some dispute the internet's credibility
as being a source from which God would provide a message.
Yet, in former times God message was spread over a period
of years, decades, and century's. With the internet, any revelation
from God can be shared instantly with anyone in the world.
Now the information is so pertinent, that no one has to
wait to find prophesy and interpretation. Not only that,
but anyone has the unique opportunity to communicate
with those who are interpreting prophesy, and the Bible. Instantly.
This is a power we now have unlike any in the history of mankind.

ProphesyTalk.com is an example of a website where
righteous people from many different Christian denominations
communicate their findings and beliefs.
For the most part the individuals here a very spiritual,
tolerent, wise, kind, insightful, knowledgeable, and loving.
They are welcoming, and open, yet not to the point of being fooled.
They are cautious, in a Godly way.
Even when they may not agree with another's opinion, they will not belittle,
ridicule, insult, harass, humiliate, degrade, or suggest that someone is insane.

E-Jehovahs-Witnessess.com is an example of a website to be cautious with.
The founder, Watchman- Robert King, claims to be a faithful devoted witness.
The introduction to the website claims that in order to become a member,
one must agree not to contest the primary teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Bible.
This is a complete deception.
Watchman regularly ridicules just about every aspect of JW teaching.
He undermines some of the most vital JW teachings,
including the sign of Christs presence in 1914.
He claims that Jesus presence and revealing are the same.
While he claims that many signs remain to come, he admits we live in the last days.
From my point of view, he is clearly one of the false prophets
prophesied about to come in this time.
He is causing dissensions, misleading people.
He has found a good venue for this, because he is
attracting people who are used to following others,
largely normally restrained from developing and recognizing
information from which they are not accustomed.

Recently, Watchman has become so arrogant, that he exposes himself clearly.
Apparently, he has observed that his followers overlook his wickedness,
which emboldens him more.
For example, the topic of the Two Witnesses has arisen.
One time he wrote to me "Might I ask, are any of you Internet prophets
able to turn water into blood or make it not rain for forty-two months?
Just curious as to your reply. We already know the answer."
watchman

The amazing thing about this comment is that I had never
claimed to be one of the Two Witnesses, and the whole basis
of everything he is, says, and does is inseparable from the internet.
By ridiculing me for being what he claimed to be an Internet prophet,
he denied that he was one.
Yet, all those who know of him and his teachings, found everything on the internet.

Watchman also said to me "Of course, it is understandable
that you would object to such simple reasoning since you
apparently have your sights set on presenting yourself as one of the two witnesses.
I suppose if it is any consolation for us we can look forward to you
being splayed out on the broadway. LOL" (LOL- means laughing out loud).
watchman
http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2978&st=20

Basically, he admits to being of the class of people who murder the Two Witnesses,
and then celebrate their murder. After this comment,
I reasonably don't know how one person could return to this website.
But his followers largely ignored his very wicked comment. Totally shocking.

JWSupport.com is despiritly misnamed.
It's like putting up a sign the reads "Resort Beach", and when you enter,
it's just quicksand where you instantly sink and die.
It would more correctly be named JWHell.com.
This is where bad Jehovah's Witnesses go after they
leave the Watchtower Society and die spiritually.
There are a good few hangers on, who may fantasize
that there is hope for a few there, but I am sorry to see their efforts wasted.
They can count on being degraded, ridiculed, intimidated,
bullied, insulted, called names, treated to a ferocious double standard.
This site considers injustice the norm.
So it is fair to say, they have gained nothing from leaving
the Watchtower Society, because now they are more hypocritical,
intolerant, and unkind then they ever could have been before.

June 10, 2009
Like JWSupport, JehovahsWitnessRecovery.com is a place where God
and the Bible are treated like losers. Not a healthy place,
but a place of scorn and ridicule would be a more accurate description.